LOL I've got a ton of questions but I'll just ask them as I remember them
I'm starting to switch my chi's from prepared raw (Nature's Variety, Primal, and Stella & Chewy's) to home-made raw (just meat bought from the store). So far today, I've cut up and portioned out some chicken gizzards and a cornish hen. I had talked to Kelly (Hi Kelly-I'm lilbabyvenus from chi-ppl) and she said she goes by percentages of 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, 5% liver, and 5% other organs. I've been reading up on a few other sites I found on google, and I'm seeing a percentage balance of 60% RMB, 15% veggies, and 25% meat and organs. So I'm kinda confused. I've been feeding what I've heard from Kelly (and also from a few other people), but I've never heard of these other things before. Can anyone help me out? This is still so new to me. But I think I'd save so much money if I could just figure this out instead of buying all this premade stuff.

The other diet is called BARF. It's based on the assumption that wolves eat the stomach contents of their prey which they do not, so pureed vegetables are included. Totally species inappropriate for a CARNIVORE. You want to listen to Kelly. I have several hand picked links on my blog in the getting started section that you will want to read thru for more info. I have spent 3 years reviewing and compiling this list and they are the best, hands down. It will save you from reading all the inaccurate and conflicting info out there.

Thank you so much. I'm so paranoid that I'm going to skip out on giving them something.

Now see me personally, I add vegetables and fruits. Not the 40% or so that Billinghurst called for but I do add them. I cook or purree them first.

I do this because-

A-I don't feed whole prey. If I can do a whole diet of whole prey then I would add nothing to it because it would be complete. But I don't and feeding gutted, skinned and deheaded meat isn't the same as whole prey and I won't pretend it is.

B-My dog and many others I see will eat fruits and vegetables if given the chance. I go to a dog park that is huge, open and full of natural wildlife because it's a forest preserve. Dogs graze all the time there. They pick berries off of trees and eat certain plants habitually

C-While I do believe dogs are carnivores I believe they are opportunistic ones that have evolved being a scavenger and eating all they can find, when they can find it. They will eat fruits, vegetables and carbs if given the chance in the wild and have done so for a long long time

D-Most dogs do eat the stomach contents of small prey, those are too small to shake out. So a rabbit, vole, mouse, rat, squirrel, chipmunk etc. are going to be eaten whole. So while they might shake out stomach contents of large prey that is not done normally with small ones which means the stomach content would be eaten. Also keep in mind that the stomach is still eaten so any content that remains would be consumed.

So those are the short and sweet version of why I add vegetables, fruits and even some carbs into my raw diet. Not a ton and I don't loose sleep if they don't get any but they do get fed them and I personally wouldn't do a raw diet for dogs without them

I would suggest that if you choose not to that you do add fresh green tripe.

Both of my chi's will eat most fruits and vegatables that are given to them. Would it be ok to incorporate them by using them as treats throughout the day? Like slices of fruit? Or a peice of carrot?

My friend does that

She has one day a week that her dog gets a slop made of organs, fruit, vegetables and egg.

Then for the rest of the week she uses veggies and fruits for training treats because her dog loves them and they are pretty low calorie. Which is nice when you do a lot of training

Well that's good. We're working on a lot of basics with our second that we just got about a month ago. He was 5 months old when we got him, but they had done no training what-so-ever with him yet.

I personally don't feed veg/fruits in part of diet.I follow 80(meat)-10(bone)-10(organ) guideline of raw feeding.

Palette loves tropical fruits like mango,papaya etc if given chance to munch on it but it is only when we give as tiny bits like finger nail size and that is it.She hates acidic fruits.

Meat nutrient that maybe not being able to provide what veg could will be just chlorophyll,and maybe fiber.By feeding variety of protein source,you can cover almost all veg can provide.

I'm with you Yassy. I do feed tripe when I can get it, plus whole rabbit, but neither with any great frequency. Bone provides fiber in a carnivore's diet. BUT some dogs do seem to do better when there is some fruit/veg slop in their diets. I can't explain it but it is what I have heard reported.

Yes, dogs are opportunistic but they don't NEED plant matter in their diet. Incorporating it into the diet (not talking about occasional treats) can actually be harmful as they do not produce amylase to break down the carbohydrates and cellulose. It forces the pancreas to work extra hard to break all that down.

Just because they eat the stomach contents indirectly of small prey doesn't mean that it's good for them. It's just something that gets inevitably ingested. It means nothing.

And my dogs LOVE cat crap but just because they eat it every chance they get and enjoy it doesn't mean I am going to add it into their diet.

Tripe is just stomach. I don't feed it. Haven't for all 4 years of raw feeding and I bet atleast 90% of raw feeders don't. It's not a "feed vegetables or feed tripe" type of deal. The only reason tripe is pushed so much is because the companies processing it (it's actually a WASTE product from the meat industry) saw a great, cheap deal and marketed it as a miracle food for dogs. It's not. It's just another part of the whole prey puzzle. If you feed it great and if you don't then great.

Meat, bone and organ. That's all that's needed. Really.