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    One family's transition.

    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:35 pm

    As most (if not all) of you are aware, there was a massive pet food recall due to chemical contamination in 2007. Hundreds of food brands were recalled and thousands of cats and dogs across the US died; many more are compromised for life.

    I was feeding some of the recalled and poisoned foods. Three of my four kittens pulled through, for which I remain eternally grateful, but I lost their brother, Oliver. Since then, I have been obsessed with all things cat food related.

    Even before Ollie passed away, I knew kibble was a bad deal. Processed dog food evolved out of a World War II food shortage, a need to give pet owners the convenience they wanted, and an excess of agricultural by-products. As companies found cheaper ingredients for their pet food, they flavored the kibble (often with animal digest!) so our dogs would actually eat it. When the popularity of cats increased enough to make it profitable to create a kibble for cat owners, the pet food industry simple tweaked their canine formulas without either understanding or caring about the fundamental difference between a canine's digestive and biological system and that of a feline.

    For the two years since Ollie's death, my cats have been fed a canned diet of primarily grain- and fish-free foods (Wellness, Evo, Go! Natural, Nature's Variety Instinct, etc.). I wasn’t impressed by the consistency of quality or delivery, so I began looking for something better. Better for my cats, better for my wallet and better for my peace of mind. It didn't take long for my research to show me that a raw diet was the healthiest and most natural for my feline family.

    Here is my journey into the raw food world:


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:41 pm

    Thursday; Jan 29, 2009
    My cats are 2.5 year-old siblings Allen, Rachel and Meghan and 4.5 month old siblings Spencer and Heather. I don't have a starting weight for the kittens, but the adults weigh 9.9lbs, 9lbs and 9.13lbs respectively. Rachel could stand to add some weight, while Meghan could lose a bit and Allen is at his perfect weight.

    My first time feeding wasn't very well thought out!

    I was too excited to wait until the weekend, so I picked up some chicken on the way home tonight. I worked late, so I was really late when I finally walked in the door.

    So late, in fact, that the cats, ALL the cats, began snatching chicken off the plate and fighting with each other while I was hacking pieces off. Shocked I could NOT keep up with them.

    All total, they ate nearly a pound and a quarter of half-frozen chicken in their first raw meal. (and, yes, I did say half-frozen!) Shocked

    Guess I can't prepare and serve at the same time anymore. Laughing


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:44 pm

    Friday; Jan 30, 2009
    The cats ate even more raw tonight, but at least I was better organized this time. It looks like I'll need to feed the kittens separately from the adults and let them get pretty full before I put down the grown-ups food. Otherwise the kittens steal the others' food and run off with it, which causes the adults to grab pieces and start running, too, and I just can't have raw meat all over the house. Laughing

    Plus, if I cut great big chunks for my two piggies (which I did tonight), it really slows them down so my delicate girl can eat in peace. That's a nice perk, since I don't like how thin she is.

    I'm AMAZED at how much raw they're eating. I was originally going to give them canned in the morning, raw when I got home from work and canned again before I went to bed - they've have always had three meals a day and I wanted to stick with that - but they might not need that third meal. We'll have to wait and see.

    This is so much fun! Very Happy


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:47 pm

    Saturday; Jan 31, 2009
    Tonight, they all got chicken gizzard pieces and shared a whole Cornish Hen. Everyone ate the gizzards, but holy cow, those suckers were NOT easy to cut. I seriously need to upgrade my knife set.

    The hen was interesting. I wanted to see how many of the cats, if any, would venture to eat bones, so I threw the two wings down first. Surprisingly, Spencer, one of the kittens, grabbed the first one ('though he worked on it for quite a while, he didn't get far eating it), and Meghan ate the other one. It was really weird hearing the bones crunch, I've got to tell you. I'm SOOOO conditioned to think BONES = BAD, BAD, BAD!!, and I kept wincing. Rolling Eyes

    I also cut off some of the ribs with a bunch of rib meat still attached. Spencer and his sister, Heather, ate them with no problems at all.

    While I was fostering/socializing Heather, I had several conversations with the shelter about her slow growth and thin body. I even asked them if they would do a blood panel when she went in for her spay (they refused). They kept telling me some kittens grow slower than others. Well, finally, finally!, my little girl is putting some weight on! And it's only been three days with a single raw meal each. Although..., er.... she's been eating A LOT with each of those meals. Laughing

    Something else I've noticed is the condition of their fur. Right up front, I'll be honest and say I've always rolled my eyes at folks who've talked about a difference in their cats' fur after only a few days on a new diet. I mean, come one, it takes several days for fur to grow! However, my cats' fur really is softer, most especially the two shorthairs (Spencer and Meghan), and, interestingly enough, I've noticed another difference on my other skinny girl, Rachel. She's always had a patch of slightly oily fur on her back, near the base of her tail - this patch is now nearly gone.

    So I'm wondering, maybe the change in diet affects their skin condition and that's why their fur feels different? Or maybe it's a change in their saliva and it affects their fur when they groom?

    The things I'm learning!

    Tomorrow, I'm going to pick up some rabbit, quail, chicken and turkey from a local butcher and spend some time cutting and packing single meals to cover the next week (or two, if I can get enough), so I don't have to do it every night. That part gets tedious real quick! Laughing


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    Re: One family's transition.

    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:54 pm

    Sunday; Feb 01, 2009
    People keep asking me why they've taken to raw so quickly. I don't have an answer, but maybe it's because I've always fed a really large variety of foods? There was usually between 15 to 21 different canned flavors in any given two-week period.

    No bones tonight. We had chicken breast again, along with chicken heart and some chicken liver. Everyone ate what I gave them, although I helped the adults along with some freeze-dried chicken sprinkles. They started eating quite eagerly, but I think they began to tire halfway through the meal and needed an incentive to finish it.

    Each kitten got a small whole chicken heart, but the adults got two large hearts cut down for them. That was a little...um, gross. They bled when I cut into them, and kinda squished, too. (Cats aren't the only ones who have to get used to the whole "raw" thing!)

    My cats eat on a long narrow table. Last night, I set up a separate one for the kittens so that everyone will be able to eat sitting quite some distance away from each other (the three cats on the original table that all five were using and the kittens on their own table). I was hoping that this would allow them to become comfortable enough to stop running away with the food, 'cause that was making ME uncomfortable. Laughing

    No one ran off with any pieces tonight, so my little scheme worked, yay! Everyone but Rachel was growling, though. I had to laugh, and I'm happy they like their dinner so much, but I'd rather they just relaxed a bit, you know?

    My shopping trip lasted three hours and was rather disappointing. The butcher shops were closed (don't know why I just assumed they'd be open today), so I had to go hunting through several grocery stores. I picked up a couple of Cornish Hens and whole small chickens, as well as a couple packages of chicken hearts and gizzards. Not much variety, but at least enough to last 'till next weekend.

    Dealing with the whole bird is confusing. I pulled the first one out of the package and then just stared at it for a minute. What the heck am I supposed to do with this thing? I finally pulled and cut the legs off, then pulled and cut them into two pieces each. I also pulled/cut the wings off, but left them whole. Then I cut off the breast meat and diced it. Finally, I cut the ribs off the spine on both sides.

    I'm thinking I'll feed the kittens the diced breast meat and the ribs with meat for dinner tomorrow and the adults will each get part of a leg. If anyone's still hungry, I'll give them a wing. Everyone will also get a small piece of gizzard. How does this sound to you experienced folks?

    I'm rather distressed about the shopping trip because it looks like my cats are thinking about not eating the canned food anymore, and I'm absolutely NOT ready to feed them a 100% raw diet. Last night, they refused their bedtime meal. I wasn't too, too concerned 'cause they've been eating so much during their raw meal. But they also refused the canned breakfast I gave them this morning, even after I sprinkled it with the freeze-dried chicken. They ate the chicken and whatever food was stuck to it, but left pretty much everything else.

    I'm feeling pressured to get this whole thing together and soon. I don't want my guys hungry, and I don't want them missing any of the nutrients they need either. At day four, I'm thinking this is an awful lot of work!

    Four very satiated cats.


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    Re: One family's transition.

    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:58 pm

    Thursday; Feb 05, 2009
    Today marks a full week my crew's been eating raw dinners, and all is going splendidly well.

    I've given them bone-in chicken wings, thighs, and drumsticks, as well as deboned and diced chicken from all parts of the carcass. They've shared a Cornish Hen and eaten chicken hearts, liver and gizzards. Everything has been devoured eagerly, if slowly.

    The only issue I've run into is procuring desirable foods, but I'm hoping I'll be able to get that straightened out over the next week or so. No one's shown any sign of being tired of chicken, but the sooner I can get a steady source of various meats, the happier I'll be.

    I'm picking up some squirrel this weekend - I'll let y'all know how it goes! In the meantime, I'll leave you with this pic of a happy, well-fed Spencer.


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:58 pm

    Saturday; Feb 07, 2009
    The squirrel wasn't ready for me today, so I picked up some frozen mice instead. I'm happy to say three of my five cats found their inner tiger.

    I was so proud of them while I watched them eat! I took some pics but haven't shown them to anyone; as natural as this behavior is, it can still be disturbing. Lots of folks don't like snakes because of their diet, but our cats eat the exact same prey in the wild. I actually felt a shift in my perception while I watched them eat. Kinda weird, really.

    Spencer was hysterical with the mice. Holy smokes, you'd have thought he hadn't eaten in days, the way he was behaving. And growl?! He was growling and snarling like a mac truck shifting into second gear on an uphill incline!

    The other two, Rachel and Meghan, were like, "You're kidding, right?" Laughing


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:00 pm

    Tuesday; Feb 10, 2009
    They had their first raw beef dinner tonight. I was kinda skeptical about offering it because I've read that beef is an iffy prospect for most cats.

    Not at my house. Between the five of them, they downed just a hair over a pound of Round Stew Meat in about ten minutes flat. And I gave it to them exactly as it came out of the package, in nice big chunks straight out of the fridge.

    I'm seriously leaning toward to getting mostly whole prey (mice, baby chicks, quail, rabbit pieces, etc.) with maybe some diced chicken and beef thrown in every now and then. It's so much easier than trying to cut down a whole hen or chicken, you know? I have to do a cost/benefit analysis first, but even if it's a bit pricier for the whole prey diet, I'm willing to spend it for the convenience. I REALLY dislike cutting down those whole birds!


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:03 pm

    Saturday; Feb 14, 2009
    Today is two weeks and two days I've been feeding at least one raw meal a day to my cats. About a week in, they became reluctant to eat their canned meals and a few days ago, began leaving more canned than they were eating.

    Because they've done so well accepting everything I've offered (with the single exception of the whole mice*) and the improvement I've seen in their coats and their energy levels - despite the fact I was watching them closely for possible negative reactions to their change in diet and was NOT, with only a single raw meal a day, expecting any positive changes - I decided to give them what they want and feed them entirely raw.

    So I sat down and (finally) performed the calculations necessary to plan their diet (3% of food by weight with 80%/10%/5%/5% meat/bones/liver/other organ respectively). And guess what I found out?

    The buggers are supposed to be eating around 9 ounces shared between the five of them per meal, NOT the pound and a quarter they've been gobbling down every night! I repeated my calculations several times to make sure I was doing it right, and there is no doubt about it.

    I guess that explains the 6.5 ozs Allen's gained, the 6 ozs Rachel's put on and the 3.5 ozs Meghan's added in the last two weeks. In Rachel's case, I'm happy about the weight increase - she has always been too thin for my comfort and has steadfastly refused to gain no matter what I fed her. The kittens have picked up quite a bit, too, but I don't mind since they're so young and Heather was another too-thin kitty.

    I spent several days trying to find sources and figure out the best way to handle the ingredients with little progress, and then I got a call from local raw-feeder who had heard I was looking for help. She gave me some very awesome, very specific tips and, together with my research, I've been able to put together a plan I am comfortable with. (The best tip she gave me - I can order any amount of anything Whole Foods sells and they will grind it up for free!)

    I wanted to continue to feed as much chunked meat as possible, but needed a way to get the bones and other stuff into their diet, so I divided their monthly numbers by three and calculated the percentages so that meat alone could be fed twice a day and a ground combo of meat, bone, heart, liver, organ and supplements could be fed for breakfast every morning. Feeding them this way, their ratios are balanced at the end of every day.

    Today, I made the following Whole Foods order: 10 lbs chicken wings, 13 lbs chicken hearts, and 5.5 lbs chicken liver. This will be mixed with 6.5 lbs of ground chicken breast and some salmon oil, vitamins B complex and E, Taurine and maybe a multigland supplement. This mixture will last for two months and, with 9 ozs of raw chicken, beef, whatever I can get my hands on, for their lunch and dinner meals, will cost me an estimated $240.

    Compare that to the $200 I was spending every single month for canned food!

    (*Unfortunately, after the second whole-mouse meal, my guys all decided they like the first half of the mouse, but not the second. They won't eat the darn things from the waist down, not even my most voracious eater, Spencer. Oh, and the kittens INSIST on playing with them first. Shocked I didn't even know a cat could toss a mouse that high. What a Face Of course, they waited until right after I scored a couple hundred mice off craigslist.*sigh* )


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:06 pm

    Monday; Feb 16, 2009
    I offered turkey for the first time tonight. It was supposed to be chunked meat I cut off a drumstick (wow, those tendons are TOUGH), but by the time I was done peeling the bones bare, I think the food was more mush than chunky (*sheez* I SERIOUSLY need a new knife!).

    They went CRAZY for it! Meowing and scarfing it down as fast as they could. Clearly, turkey will be a favorite around here.

    Tomorrow night, I'm going to try to pick up some beef heart and see how that goes. : )


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:08 pm

    Tuesday; Feb 17, 2009
    I'm finding that as I refine my sources, feeding raw food is CONSIDERABLY cheaper than buying canned.

    In the above post, I went from paying $200 per month for canned to about $240 for every TWO months feeding raw. Last night, however, I found a source of turkey for only $1.29 pound and chicken for only $.59 cents per pound. That cuts my grocery bill IN HALF.

    Add to that a considerably reduced litter box load since the cats are able to digest soooo much more of their food, and fewer vet visits (not to mention happier cats) and I think I've got myself a winner!

    Just passing on a tip I learned tonight: To minimize the mess and necessary clean-up of a raw-feeding, spread a towel on the feeding surface and dump the food on the towel. Once everyone's done eating, simply roll the towel up and throw it in a (lidded) laundry hamper. Voila! Clean up over!

    To all you other raw-feeders out there: Are you ever concerned about cuddling your cats after they've eaten? Mine use their paws to hold the food down sometimes and they almost always groom immediately after eating - but not always.

    In all the research I've done and the folks I've talked to, I haven't come across a single instance of either cat or owner becoming ill as a result of raw feeding, but, given the above, what's the mechanic that keeps that from happening?


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:09 pm

    Wednesday; Feb 18, 2009
    You know what I think? I think the public (myself included) have had it hammered into our psyches that raw meat is (que the spooky music) DANGEROUS, when, in fact, it's really not so much. If it were truly riddled with e. coli, salmonella, etc., I'm betting a lot more people would be dropping dead than we currently hear about.

    Did you guys know that both e. coli and salmonella are actually contaminants? They come from waste products and don't belong on our raw food to begin with.

    Pardon me, I'm gonna go pin a kitty down for a hug. Laughing


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:10 pm

    Thursday; Feb 19, 2009
    I've decided to feed as close to the whole prey model as I can, so I ditched the ground breakfast idea. Instead, every third day, I'll offer a bone-in meal for dinner: chicken breast with ribs or wings and whole divided Cornish Hens. This method does not appeal to my need to have exact measures and numbers, but if it works, I'll deal with it. : )

    Except for the fresh chicken hearts, I canceled the Whole Foods order. My monthly cat food bill has now dropped to about $100, FULLY HALF what I was paying for commercial food!

    Last night, I spent three hours cutting, bagging, weighing and labeling 10 chicken wings, 10 chicken breasts with ribs, 20 chicken quarters, 4 pounds of beef round stew, 2 pounds of liver (that stuff is way weird to handle *shudder*), two cornish hens, half a dozen turkey drumsticks, and 1 pound of (freaking expensive) quail (they won't get that again). I still have several pounds of pork something or another to prep today.

    I'm well pleased. I've yet to find a source for non-liver organ meat, but I've got a freezer full of good food, with more to come. My furkids are in heaven. : )

    - - - - - -

    I've received a pm about the "dangers" of feeding pork....

    Folks, there aren't any! Cats all over the world eat raw pork just fine, some even eat it exclusively. If you're in a still developing country, there might be some issues, but commercial pork from the US, Canada, a few EU countries and Australia is perfectly safe (in fact, if you live in Australia, your peace of mind should be even greater - they have NEVER had a problem with trichinosis!).

    Trichinosis parasites die if frozen for three weeks, so even in the countries where it's common, it can be addressed.

    Again, we're all brainwashed about meat being ridden with evil, killing germs. Don't believe it, my friends! Sometimes, it takes a long, long time for fears to fade, even after the threat has gone.

    On a totally different note, just for kicks and giggles, I'm picking up some bison meat tonight. I want to see if I can find something my carnivorous little friends WON'T eat.


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:12 pm

    Thusday; Feb 19, 2009
    I've received a tip about the liver - partially freeze it first, then cut it up.

    I fed chicken breast with ribs tonight. This time, I did not remove any bone at all, although I admit to some trepidation. Would they be able and willing to handle the bone?

    pfh! What was I thinking? These guys know they are carnivores! Not only did they eat every scrap, they ate it a whole lot faster than I would have credited.

    *shakes head in wonderment*

    I hit what may be a small bump in the smooth ride, however. For breakfast, I served beef round stew pieces. The chunks were quite large, but no one had any trouble eating them. Rachel, my once thin kitty, ate more than is usual for her.... but about an hour later, threw some of it back up. Normally, because she ate so much, I'd shrug it off as a reaction to that, however, several days ago, I fed beef for dinner and then again for the evening meal - and someone threw up a very small amount after the second meal.

    So I'm thinking Rachel either needs to slow down a bit, or she might have some intolerance to beef; I know that's not an uncommon occurrence.

    Have to keep an eye on that!


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:14 pm

    Friday; Feb 20, 2009
    Fed pork loin chunks this morning. Only the kittens were enthusiastic about eating it, but no one turned their noses up. Laughing

    Throwing the food down on a towel is working wonderfully. I love rolling that thing up to reveal a perfectly clean table!

    Someone asked me if I included any beef flavors when I was feeding canned. The answer is yes, in fact, I fed beef in Wellness, Evo and Nature's Variety Instinct flavors, among others, and no one ever had a problem with it.

    I guess that rules out any sensitivity issues. At the least, it makes them more unlikely!!

    Beef is harder to chew than chicken and turkey, and Rachel IS the slowest of all the cats, so maybe she's being lazy and swallowing chunks that she should be cutting down?

    I know too much food and food eaten too fast can cause issues, but can too-large food chunks cause stomach upsets, as well? Anyone have any experience with that?

    If so, I'll be happy to cut her food down a little more while she gets used to all the chewing she needs to do now. Considering how easy this has been for me (yes, I totally recognize that I am very, very lucky), I think I can manage cutting one cat's food into bite-size pieces. Laughing


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    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:15 pm

    Sunday; Feb 22, 2009
    I've finally found a source for organ meat, the last ingredient I needed. Turns out my favorite grocery store sells both chicken and beef kidneys; I never saw them because the beef only comes in once a week and the chicken needs to be special ordered. I picked up a couple months' worth of beef kidney today and I'll order some chicken tomorrow.

    I also found a butcher about 45 minutes away that sells pork kidneys and placed an order with them. I'll keep looking for other organs, but the need is no longer critical, thank goodness!

    I gave the cats some beef kidney, beef heart and bison meat this afternoon as a snack, just to see if they'd eat it. Everyone chowed down with gusto. Rachel surprised me - she ate everything without any of the Whole Life treats I sometimes have to use to tempt her, especially the beef heart. So yay!

    After talking to some folks on another board, I ascertained that Rachel was, indeed, being lazy about properly chewing her beef chunks. I've been cutting her pieces in half before offering them to her and we've had no more upset stomach issues. Problem solved.

    The cats have been on raw food for three weeks and three days now, 100% raw a little over half that time. I have sources for everything I need and I've worked out the majority of the kinks in a feeding methodology that I can sustain and addresses all their needs. Oh, and I bought a lovely set of knives.

    I've seen several changes in the cats: no more tuna breath (I kinda miss that, actually), a drop in poop quantity and odor, and an increase in the softness and shine of their fur, to name a few. By far, however, the biggest change is the increase in activity level. I now have five kittens, not two! It's astonishing, actually, how much more energy and.... playfulness my cats have.

    The indications are conclusive - the high-end, mostly grain- and fish-free cat foods I was feeding clearly weren't providing my furchildren with everything they need to be their happiest, healthiest selves. I am blown away at the difference in them.

    I strongly recommend everyone switch their cats and dogs to a natural diet. I won't preach to you guys - who doesn't detest lectures? - but I can't not say anything at all. And I offer everything I've learned - if you have a question, pm me! I'm a research fanatic and if I can't answer your question, I promise I can direct you to someone or someplace that can.

    Getting your cats on a raw food diet is worth the initial learning curve, it truly is!


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    Closing piece.

    Post  Auntie Crazy on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:16 pm

    Sunday; Feb 22, 2009
    In conclusion, here is the new feeding schedule for Auntie Crazy's Crew:

    Breakfast: 9ozs to 10ozs of beef round (comes in precut stew pieces) or pork loin chunks I cut and package myself.

    Lunch: Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, they'll get about 11oz of something with bone in it for lunch - chicken wings, half a quail, a quarter of a Cornish Hen, or half a chicken breast with ribs.

    Sunday and Thursday, lunch will be 6 ozs of either chicken or beef liver and 5oz of chicken or beef heart.

    Tuesday and Saturday, lunch will be 6ozs of chicken, beef or pork kidneys and 5oz of chicken or beef heart.

    Dinner: Either a chicken quarter or a turkey drumstick with the bones removed. The weight for these can range from 12oz to 18oz, but averages about 14oz. Every now and then, I'll try something different, like bison meat, just for the fun and variety of it.

    I have enough weighed and packed in my freezer for nearly two months and every night, I just take out whatever they'll be eating the next day. Once or twice a month, I'll restock my freezer.

    And it's as simple as that.


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    Re: One family's transition.

    Post  Kelly on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:20 pm

    This is wonderful to read AC, I sincerely hope it helps new owner and others interested in raw to dive in.


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    Re: One family's transition.

    Post  Timothea on Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:45 pm

    Oh, yes, extremely helpful!!

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